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Post by mrsports182 on Aug 11, 2009 21:53:32 GMT -5
The outburst by the Zanesville manager was one of the craziest things I have ever seen at a baseball game you see these things in movies and on ESPN but you dont expect to see them each time you go to a game. It really brought some excitement to the ending of the game.
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Post by Brian Varmecky on Aug 11, 2009 22:02:10 GMT -5
For the record, I believe that the umpires were all from out-of-town. (I heard Hanover, Harrisburg, and Mechanicsburg) The Zanesville staff was of the opinion that Johnstown was going to get all the calls even before the game began, so some close calls got their blood boiling.
On the play at the plate, from my view, it looked like the runner missed the bag and the catcher missed the runner, so I dunno. But yeah, that was a real sad reaction.
The bottom of the 6th was tough to watch. I hate to see kids come from out of town and throw a forgettable inning like that. It was a lot of walks and wild pitches, and while I like to see Johnstown win, that's not the way you want to see it happen.
Worst of all for Zanesville, they've got to play at 10:00 am tomorrow morning. And if they win, it's a double-header for them. That totally sucks. Especially for a franchise that supports the tournament so well.
Oh well.
Brian_V
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Post by slickmick on Aug 11, 2009 22:05:27 GMT -5
Hey my son was standing right behind homeplate and he said the runner slid over the plate on the inside catcher tag him in the ankle area. Sorry reaction from the coach, I can understand arguing the call but the bucket thing was not cool.
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Post by mrsports182 on Aug 11, 2009 22:05:34 GMT -5
Yeah it sucks that they work so hard and that will be what they remembered for. They waited two days and sat through two heavy storms. Emotions will be high and tempers will flare.
It has to be hard for them playing Johnstown almost every year and they probably feel like they are not getting calls all the time.
3 games in 24 hours if they can pull that off and win the two tommarow that would be great for them.
P.S. Did they announce any suspensions for the coach
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Post by tomahawkchopper on Aug 11, 2009 22:28:37 GMT -5
It wasn't right what the manager did, but he did have a legitimate case. From my view, the Zanesville runner clearly reach around and touch home plate with his hand before the tag was ever applied. I was there as a Johnstown fan, but that call was bad and I can understand Zanesville's frustration, but what the manger did was uncalled for and he should be suspended for the rest of the tournament.
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Post by tigersucs on Aug 12, 2009 8:46:01 GMT -5
I believe the Greater Johnstown Umpires Association(or something along those lines) does all the AAABA games except for those involving Johnstown for whom they bring in an outside crew. That has been the case for a long time and possibly as long as the tourney has been in town. It saves them, the AAABA national and Oldtimers from being accused of favoritism for Johnstown. Also not 100% sure but are they doing the same with Martella's or were they put in place too late to be able to switch crews around?
Edit: Looked at box scores from yesterday in today's Tribune and see that Martella's is getting local umpires such as Willis DuBouse and Ron Goisovich.
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Post by knowitall on Aug 12, 2009 15:26:48 GMT -5
Forrest Mazey, Chris Chernisky and joe Scheurmann have all had embarassing and disgraceful moments as coaches.
And it wasn't Zanesville's manager rather one of his coaches, right?
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Post by Brian Varmecky on Aug 12, 2009 17:28:42 GMT -5
Correct. I don't know his name, but I can't imagine him being more than 22 or so. He was upset at the umpires from the first inning.
Brian_V
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Post by kek on Aug 12, 2009 20:10:55 GMT -5
Not necessarily true, Willis Dubose was umping the Martella's game this afternoon and he blew some calls. But, for the most part, the homers-for-Johnstown argument is a bunch of bunk.
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Post by tigersucs on Aug 13, 2009 9:13:04 GMT -5
Not necessarily true, Willis Dubose was umping the Martella's game this afternoon and he blew some calls. But, for the most part, the homers-for-Johnstown argument is a bunch of bunk. Willis is a great guy as well as ump and referee in both football(actually I believe he is the umpire there as well) and basketball. The AAABA and Oldtimers have to be careful though as not to have that as a possibility should a controversy arise. |
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Post by ram on Aug 13, 2009 13:06:34 GMT -5
That was an unfortunate ending to a Johnstown victory. Wether or not it was the right or wrong call, the coaches reaction was totally out of line. You would have thought it was a 4-3 game for the championship. Your team got outplayed all game long and to throw things at that point was just in poor taste. Zanesville is usually a class team. I was glad to see other players come running out to clean the mess.
AAABA does use an out of town crew for all Johnstown games. This year is the exception where Martellas is getting some locals.
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Post by mrsports182 on Aug 13, 2009 16:12:21 GMT -5
It might have been one of the coaches on Tuesday but it was the manager for sure today. It was a closer game and he had been fired up the entire game. After being ejected he began kicking dirt on the plate.
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Post by knowalittle on Aug 13, 2009 16:30:00 GMT -5
Knowitall, what situation are you referring to specifically with Mazey and Chernisky? I thought the story was that Chernisky was in his first year on Mazey's staff for the Knickerbockers and Mazey sent him out in a tourney game and told him to "go get thrown out" and Chernisky couldn't do it. He was too nice a kid. He argued for about five minutes but nothing.
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Post by Brian Varmecky on Aug 13, 2009 16:53:55 GMT -5
Speaking of today's ejection, anybody know that rule? They were saying (I think) that the Toledo players bunted into the batter's box, so Zanesville said he should be called out? I forget what the count was, if that matters in this situation. Anyone know the ruling on that?
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Post by mrsports182 on Aug 13, 2009 18:27:36 GMT -5
Im not sure about the rule but the same thing must have happened to them before because they caught it right away. This is an excerpt from the NCAA rulebook. q. With less than two out and first, first and second, first and third or first,
second and third bases occupied, an infielder intentionally drops a batted or bunted fair fly ball or line drive. The ball is dead, and the runner or
runners shall return to their original base or bases. \ Is it possible that this was the case I cannot exactly remember the situation on the field at the time. |
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